It's Back - The Official S/Boards 2009 Footy Tipping Contest
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That was a ligit question.
I would not have a go at my mate Norm.
I may be buying stuff from him soon,and would not want the price to go up.
I would not have a go at my mate Norm.
I may be buying stuff from him soon,and would not want the price to go up.
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Ron, I think it has to be this year, otherwise I will be waiting another 10-20 years. Three years of close to absolute domination, and I am beginning to suspect that they have reached their use by date. Ottens, after this year, will have reached his use by date.mrboggler wrote:Which year did you have in mind Norm
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Does this mean the White Surrender Flag will be flown soon,
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Carlton 153 d Melbourne 96
Adelaide 122 d West Coast 48
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Adelaide 122 d West Coast 48
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Last night's matches:
Brisbane 107 d Port Adelaide 92
Hawthorn 135 d Richmond 93
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Brisbane 107 d Port Adelaide 92
Hawthorn 135 d Richmond 93
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North Melbourne 64 d St Kilda 59
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Collngwood 97 d Sydney 56
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Fremantle 141 d Essendon 87
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All the winners:
Western Bulldogs 110 d Geelong 96
Carlton 153 d Melbourne 96
Adelaide 122 d West Coast 48
Brisbane 107 d Port Adelaide 92
Hawthorn 135 d Richmond 93
North Melbourne 64 d St Kilda 59
Collngwood 97 d Sydney 56
Fremantle 141 d Essendon 87
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Western Bulldogs 110 d Geelong 96
Carlton 153 d Melbourne 96
Adelaide 122 d West Coast 48
Brisbane 107 d Port Adelaide 92
Hawthorn 135 d Richmond 93
North Melbourne 64 d St Kilda 59
Collngwood 97 d Sydney 56
Fremantle 141 d Essendon 87
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The Stampboards Ladder, and the challengers for top place have arrived:
119 Lakatoi 4 6
118 PhilipS 7
118 annwiggy 5
118 Clino 6
115 AndrewWalker 5
115 Aladdin 6
113 gmoney 6
113 mrboggler 4
112 jennys 5
111 fromdownunder 4
111 myakov 6
110 electric chook 6
110 punter 5
109 lubago 6
109 parryone 4
108 DeBrouin 2 *
108 baroldsan 3
108 monty 4
107 Dorian 6
107 Darkice 2 *
107 Philanthropist 6
106 Graeme Morriss 6
105 PeterS 6
105 kellysboytoy 4
104 anna 2 *
104 KevinHedley 6
103 GlenStephens 2 *
102 Grant C 4
102 sherro 6
102 Raz 6
101 tacomabob 5
101 GUTTERS 6
100 prof2000 5
97 Gatto 4
97 PGphilat 2
96 Stefy 2 *
94 gandly 5
92 gavin-h 3
92 bonfiregirl 6
90 MargoZ 2 *
*away teams awarded.
swoosh, cheema2 and eqnox have not posted for the past three weeks and are out of the competition.
MargoZ has missed 5 rounds in total, and if she does not tip this week wlol not be eligable for the "last place" prize for missing 6 rounds for the season as per the rules.
As I said earlier in this thread, in case of any ties, the winner for each place will be decided on a countback - who was actually leading at the end of the previous round will be declared the winner.
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119 Lakatoi 4 6
118 PhilipS 7
118 annwiggy 5
118 Clino 6
115 AndrewWalker 5
115 Aladdin 6
113 gmoney 6
113 mrboggler 4
112 jennys 5
111 fromdownunder 4
111 myakov 6
110 electric chook 6
110 punter 5
109 lubago 6
109 parryone 4
108 DeBrouin 2 *
108 baroldsan 3
108 monty 4
107 Dorian 6
107 Darkice 2 *
107 Philanthropist 6
106 Graeme Morriss 6
105 PeterS 6
105 kellysboytoy 4
104 anna 2 *
104 KevinHedley 6
103 GlenStephens 2 *
102 Grant C 4
102 sherro 6
102 Raz 6
101 tacomabob 5
101 GUTTERS 6
100 prof2000 5
97 Gatto 4
97 PGphilat 2
96 Stefy 2 *
94 gandly 5
92 gavin-h 3
92 bonfiregirl 6
90 MargoZ 2 *
*away teams awarded.
swoosh, cheema2 and eqnox have not posted for the past three weeks and are out of the competition.
MargoZ has missed 5 rounds in total, and if she does not tip this week wlol not be eligable for the "last place" prize for missing 6 rounds for the season as per the rules.
As I said earlier in this thread, in case of any ties, the winner for each place will be decided on a countback - who was actually leading at the end of the previous round will be declared the winner.
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The very vital final round:
ROUND 22
FRIDAY, AUGUST 28
West Coast v Richmond
SATURDAY, AUGUST 29
Geelong v Fremantle
Hawthorn v Essendon
Carlton v Adelaide
Sydney v Brisbane Lions
Port Adelaide v North Melbourne
SUNDAY, AUGUST 30
Melbourne v St Kilda
Collingwood v Western Bulldogs
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ROUND 22
FRIDAY, AUGUST 28
West Coast v Richmond
SATURDAY, AUGUST 29
Geelong v Fremantle
Hawthorn v Essendon
Carlton v Adelaide
Sydney v Brisbane Lions
Port Adelaide v North Melbourne
SUNDAY, AUGUST 30
Melbourne v St Kilda
Collingwood v Western Bulldogs
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And my tips:
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Adelaide
Brisbane Lions
Port Adelaide
Melbourne
Western Bulldogs
Norm
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Adelaide
Brisbane Lions
Port Adelaide
Melbourne
Western Bulldogs
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One last little surprize prize for Round 22 - it goes to the first person to pick 6 winners. A bit silly I know, but I just posted this on a whim, as a celebration that IT'S OVER.
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West Coast
Geelong
Hawks
Carlton
Sydney
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Collingwood
Geelong
Hawks
Carlton
Sydney
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Collingwood
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Geelong
Essendon
Carlton
Sydney
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Geelong
Essendon
Carlton
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St Kilda
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Round 22
Richmont
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Brisbane Lions
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Collingwood
Richmont
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Brisbane Lions
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Collingwood
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Final round 22 tips
(must be a prize for perseverance !)
West Coast
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Sydney
North Melbourne
St. Kilda
Collingwood
But it was fun for not knowing a thing about it
(must be a prize for perseverance !)
West Coast
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Sydney
North Melbourne
St. Kilda
Collingwood
But it was fun for not knowing a thing about it
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Round 22
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Adelaide
Brisbane
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Collingwood
My sentiments are the same as Tacomabob's!! Fun Ride!!!
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Adelaide
Brisbane
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Collingwood
My sentiments are the same as Tacomabob's!! Fun Ride!!!
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Round 22
West Coast
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Sydney
Port Adelaide
St.Kilda
Bulldogs.
West Coast
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Sydney
Port Adelaide
St.Kilda
Bulldogs.
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tacomabob and kellysboytoy, thanks for joining in and helping to make this the fun competition that it was intended to be and the success that we hoped it would be.
I might point out that last years winner - Clino is also from the States, and has never seen a game of AFL in his life. And he may very well win it again this year.
The current leader this year, Lakatoi4, has also never seen a live game of AFL football. He is from Sydney and follows Rugby (and the wrong version at that!).
So lots of fun, but again, you do not need to know much about it to have a chance. Just buy the right sort of dartboard and use it every week for your tips, or alternatively, looking at the entrails of an owl or tea leaves may work.
But as we are at the pointy end of the season, the leaders are getting serious, and it will be interesting to see how tactically they make their selections this week (and how late in the week they make them), as 4 people into 3 prizes don't work.
Norm
I might point out that last years winner - Clino is also from the States, and has never seen a game of AFL in his life. And he may very well win it again this year.
The current leader this year, Lakatoi4, has also never seen a live game of AFL football. He is from Sydney and follows Rugby (and the wrong version at that!).
So lots of fun, but again, you do not need to know much about it to have a chance. Just buy the right sort of dartboard and use it every week for your tips, or alternatively, looking at the entrails of an owl or tea leaves may work.
But as we are at the pointy end of the season, the leaders are getting serious, and it will be interesting to see how tactically they make their selections this week (and how late in the week they make them), as 4 people into 3 prizes don't work.
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Norm, the Thanks go to you for doing all of the work here as well as being the secret shopper at Geelong......
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I think Norm would be very happy not to be the secret Geelong Hospital shopper!
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Thanks Norm for providing this very very interesting but sometimes hugely frustrating diversion. The effort to keep it flowing with all the other things happening in your life is greatly appreciated. Thanks mate.
My tips for round 22 are:
West Coast
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Sydney
Port Adelaide
Saint Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Cheers,
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My tips for round 22 are:
West Coast
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Sydney
Port Adelaide
Saint Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Cheers,
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Round 22
Richmond
Geelong
Hawthorn
Adelaide
Brisbane Lions
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Collingwood
Richmond
Geelong
Hawthorn
Adelaide
Brisbane Lions
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Collingwood
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I suppose it's a bit late for a late surge?
West Coast
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Sydney
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Collingwood
West Coast
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Sydney
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Collingwood
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Round 22
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Carlton
Sydney
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Collingwood
Thanks Norm for keeping this post running, it's been great fun.
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Carlton
Sydney
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Collingwood
Thanks Norm for keeping this post running, it's been great fun.
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Round 22
Richmont
Geelong
Essendon
Adelaide
Brisbane Lions
North Melbourne
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Good luck
Richmont
Geelong
Essendon
Adelaide
Brisbane Lions
North Melbourne
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Good luck
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ROUND 22 predictions from me.
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Carlton
Sydney
North Melbourne
St Kilda
Collingwood
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Carlton
Sydney
North Melbourne
St Kilda
Collingwood
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Rounde 22 tips:
West Coast
Fremantle
Essendon
Carlton
Sydney
N. Melbourne
St. Kilda
Collingwood
West Coast
Fremantle
Essendon
Carlton
Sydney
N. Melbourne
St. Kilda
Collingwood
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Round 22
Richmond
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Brisbane Lions
Port Adelaide
St. Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Richmond
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Brisbane Lions
Port Adelaide
St. Kilda
Western Bulldogs
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Norm,
Many thanks for all the hard work you have put in to make this a fun competition.
Tips for Round 22 are:
West Coast
Geelong
Hawthorn
Adelaide
Brisbane
Port Adeliade
St Kilda
Bulldogs
Looking forward to a Geelong & Bulldogs Grand Final with Collingwood losing by 1 point after the siren in the Prelim.
Beware the Demons in 2010!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers
Many thanks for all the hard work you have put in to make this a fun competition.
Tips for Round 22 are:
West Coast
Geelong
Hawthorn
Adelaide
Brisbane
Port Adeliade
St Kilda
Bulldogs
Looking forward to a Geelong & Bulldogs Grand Final with Collingwood losing by 1 point after the siren in the Prelim.
Beware the Demons in 2010!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers
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Hmmmmm not going to save anymore Machins for you
Gandly I thought you were a decent sort of chap.and here you you are putting the HEX on Collingwood,you are an EVIL man.
Gandly I thought you were a decent sort of chap.and here you you are putting the HEX on Collingwood,you are an EVIL man.
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He's got the teams that will play off wrong, but otherwise I agree completely!mrboggler wrote:Hmmmmm not going to save anymore Machins for you
Gandly I thought you were a decent sort of chap.and here you you are putting the HEX on Collingwood,you are an EVIL man.
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Round 22
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Carlton
Sydney
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Carlton
Sydney
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Baroldsan
Perth
Western Australia
Perth
Western Australia
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mr boggler,
With my powers of prediction at an all time low I don't think you need worry about any of my ramblings about collingwood. I just haven't gotten over the fiftys. As far as being evil - well - most non-collingwood people would agree with me, so bring on the finals and we will see whether evil defeats good.
(Please note that collingwood is spelt with a small letter 'C' to befit their image).
Cheers
With my powers of prediction at an all time low I don't think you need worry about any of my ramblings about collingwood. I just haven't gotten over the fiftys. As far as being evil - well - most non-collingwood people would agree with me, so bring on the finals and we will see whether evil defeats good.
(Please note that collingwood is spelt with a small letter 'C' to befit their image).
Cheers
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So ,,, how was the holiday, pick up any bargains,stampwise
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YEP! Bladder scrapes with a "knife" through the penis and catheters are not my idea of having a good time.PeterS wrote:I think Norm would be very happy not to be the secret Geelong Hospital shopper!
But I can sort of laugh about it now.
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mrboggler,
Had a great time without even finding a stamp shop anywhere from Adelaide to Darwin.
Would recommend the Ghan trip to Darwin (with stopover at Alice) to all Stampboarders.
I was amazed at the number of indigenous kids running around with AFL jumpers on - sorry Norm not many Geelong ones. Mainly Adelaide, Eagle and Bomber jumpers.
Catch up soon Ron
Cheers
Had a great time without even finding a stamp shop anywhere from Adelaide to Darwin.
Would recommend the Ghan trip to Darwin (with stopover at Alice) to all Stampboarders.
I was amazed at the number of indigenous kids running around with AFL jumpers on - sorry Norm not many Geelong ones. Mainly Adelaide, Eagle and Bomber jumpers.
Catch up soon Ron
Cheers
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Round 22:-
Richmond
Geelong
Essendon
Carlton
Sydney
N.Melbourne
StKilda
W.Bulldogs
Richmond
Geelong
Essendon
Carlton
Sydney
N.Melbourne
StKilda
W.Bulldogs
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Too much information, Norm! FAR, FAR too much information <wince>!fromdownunder wrote:YEP! Bladder scrapes with a "knife" through the penis and catheters are not my idea of having a good time.PeterS wrote:I think Norm would be very happy not to be the secret Geelong Hospital shopper!
But I can sort of laugh about it now.
'Norm
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Re: It's Back - The Official S/Boards 2009 Footy Tipping Contest
My selections for Round 22:
Richmond
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Brisbane
Port Adelaide
St. Kilda
Collingwood
Richmond
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Brisbane
Port Adelaide
St. Kilda
Collingwood
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Re: It's Back - The Official S/Boards 2009 Footy Tipping Contest
Nor did I think that the "secret shopper" was an enjoyed career....fromdownunder wrote:YEP! Bladder scrapes with a "knife" through the penis and catheters are not my idea of having a good time.PeterS wrote:I think Norm would be very happy not to be the secret Geelong Hospital shopper!
But I can sort of laugh about it now.
'Norm
Norm.....some places are just meant to be a no enter zone.... 8)
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Re: It's Back - The Official S/Boards 2009 Footy Tipping Contest
Norm thank-you for all of your work to run this competition, for a North Queenslander that doesn't know much about AFL it has been very enjoyable.
My tips for my final lunge at last place
Richmond
Geelong
Essendon
Carlton
Brisbane Lions
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
My tips for my final lunge at last place
Richmond
Geelong
Essendon
Carlton
Brisbane Lions
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
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Re: It's Back - The Official S/Boards 2009 Footy Tipping Contest
Norm,
As I am going to be away for a while this is my last chance to thank you for all the work you have done. Particularly as you had other things concerning you some of the time.
I haven't done nearly as well this year as last but it has still been a lot of fun.
And thanks also to those members who stepped in and posted results etc when you were otherwise occupied.
Round 22
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Adelaide
Sydney
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
As I am going to be away for a while this is my last chance to thank you for all the work you have done. Particularly as you had other things concerning you some of the time.
I haven't done nearly as well this year as last but it has still been a lot of fun.
And thanks also to those members who stepped in and posted results etc when you were otherwise occupied.
Round 22
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Adelaide
Sydney
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
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Re: It's Back - The Official S/Boards 2009 Footy Tipping Contest
Last try:
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Adelaide
Brisbane
North Melbourne
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Paul
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Adelaide
Brisbane
North Melbourne
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Paul
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Re: It's Back - The Official S/Boards 2009 Footy Tipping Contest
Last try:
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Adelaide
Brisbane
North Melbourne
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Paul
West Coast
Geelong
Essendon
Adelaide
Brisbane
North Melbourne
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Paul
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Re: It's Back - The Official S/Boards 2009 Footy Tipping Contest
Round 22 tips
West Coast Eagles
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Brisbane
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
West Coast Eagles
Geelong
Hawthorn
Carlton
Brisbane
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
monty
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Re: It's Back - The Official S/Boa
Hi Norm!cheema wrote: My tips for Round 20:
West Coast Eagles
Brisbane
Geelong
Fremantle
Carlton
St. Kilda
I think that I have missed the first two already so there is no point mentioning them.
Best Regards
Cheema
I think that you have missed my entry for the Round 20. I did make a post about my picks on 15 Aug 09. Quote is attached.
Please amend the record.
Thanx
Warm Greetings from Pakistan
Cheema
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Re: It's Back - The Official S/Boa
Above All, I would not like to be eliminated before the last round as it has been some wonderful weeks participating in the contest - Despite of the fact that I am in no way winning here.
I would also like to thank you for your persistent hard work and huge effort in keeping track of all the weeks. Well Done!!!
It has been very enjoyable participating in this contest although I live in Pakistan and I also form part of the ELITE which have never seen an AFL game in life. Cricket and Field Hockey are probably the top games where we follow Aussie Kangaroos fanatically. It was definitely fun knowing you all and playing with you.
So here are my picks for Round 22:
FRIDAY, AUGUST 28
West Coast
SATURDAY, AUGUST 29
Geelong
Essendon
Adelaide
Brisbane Lions
Port Adelaide
SUNDAY, AUGUST 30
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Love
Cheema
I would also like to thank you for your persistent hard work and huge effort in keeping track of all the weeks. Well Done!!!
It has been very enjoyable participating in this contest although I live in Pakistan and I also form part of the ELITE which have never seen an AFL game in life. Cricket and Field Hockey are probably the top games where we follow Aussie Kangaroos fanatically. It was definitely fun knowing you all and playing with you.
So here are my picks for Round 22:
FRIDAY, AUGUST 28
West Coast
SATURDAY, AUGUST 29
Geelong
Essendon
Adelaide
Brisbane Lions
Port Adelaide
SUNDAY, AUGUST 30
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Love
Cheema
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Re: It's Back - The Official S/Boa
Cheema, will do. You will be on the final ladder, and come back next year.cheema wrote:Hi Norm!cheema wrote: My tips for Round 20:
West Coast Eagles
Brisbane
Geelong
Fremantle
Carlton
St. Kilda
I think that I have missed the first two already so there is no point mentioning them.
Best Regards
Cheema
I think that you have missed my entry for the Round 20. I did make a post about my picks on 15 Aug 09. Quote is attached.
Please amend the record.
Thanx
Warm Greetings from Pakistan
Cheema
Norm
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